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Its been a bit sense ive seen one of these threads so I figured I would throw it up again to see if anyone has questions. I am myself a former catholic now turned Germanic Pagan, but I have a pretty broad knowledge of the whole Neo-Pagan/Reconstructionist movement.

So, if people have any questions they would like to ask or things they would like to discuss feel free to post or PM me. And if by chance there is other pagan folk out there please feel welcome to join in, paganism is a remarkably diverse group.
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Its been a bit sense ive seen one of these threads so I figured I would throw it up again to see if anyone has questions. I am myself a former catholic now turned Germanic Pagan, but I have a pretty broad knowledge of the whole Neo-Pagan/Reconstructionist movement.

So, if people have any questions they would like to ask or things they would like to discuss feel free to post or PM me. And if by chance there is other pagan folk out there please feel welcome to join in, paganism is a remarkably diverse group.
Why? You left the Catholic Church - which has the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ...what was missing or lacking?
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so are the pagan ceremonies -- more exciting than the roman catholic ceremonies?

we are all aware that the homilies can be boring..

but hey -- our bread and wind turn into -- flesh and blood

how cool is that??

just like magic
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Wednesday, July 3, 2013

3OH!3 - DON'T TRUST ME thermotron -- we treat you like family (we don't l;ike)



get some help from thermotron
remember we treat you like family




former employee thermotron

Posted on Sun, May. 27, 2007
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"BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU IN LIFE. ULTIMATELY, GOD IS STILL ON THE THRONE. THE SUN CAME UP THIS MORNING. THE WORLD WILL NOT END." KEVIN HOLT
A job lost and perspective gained
Gastonia man was fired a week after notifying his firm he had been deployed.

MIKE DRUMMOND
mdrummond@charlotteobserver.com

Kevin Holt of Gastonia bears little likeness to the chiseled warriors depicted in Army posters.

He's 41, heavyset and has a habit of pushing his eyeglasses to the bridge of his nose.

He's a citizen-soldier.

The former sailor enlisted in the National Guard in July 2004 as a way to supplement his income and heed a call to service.

Last summer, between supervising a chow line at Camp Speicher outside Tikrit, Iraq, and running food convoys, Holt sat at dusty computer keyboards, hunting and pecking the answers to his online college course. He hoped a business degree would help him land a job.

Thermotron Industries, based in Holland, Mich., fired Holt in April 2005,

near the height of the Bush administration's call-up of National Guard members and just a week after Holt told the company he was being deployed to Iraq.

Holt serviced Thermotron's environmental test chambers, which expose electronics and other devices to temperature extremes. He covered a patch of the Southeast for the privately held, mid-sized company, making about $54,000 a year.

Holt says Thermotron accused him of trying to bill the company for Yellow Pages advertising he had ordered for his side repair business.

BellSouth had mailed the bill to Thermotron by mistake, an error Holt said his boss had resolved more than eight months before.

The married father of two worked seven years for Thermotron, which has a growing defense-contract business.

The termination was an about-face for a company that two months before firing him had given Holt another glowing annual evaluation.


Fellow soldiers in the National Guard's 505th Engineer Battalion said they thought the timing of the firing looked fishy. They told him about the law designed to protect civilian jobs of part-time soldiers called to active duty.

Holt tried to get his job back.



He filed complaints with state and federal labor departments.

He thought his case was a slam-dunk.

Thermotron sent letters in its defense.
It produced copies of the Yellow Pages bill it said proved Holt tried to deceive the company.

The company denied that a supervisor had told Holt the billing mistake had been resolved.

Holt provided documents but couldn't produce anything showing Thermotron fired him because his military service conflicted with the company's need for a repairman in the Southeast.

Channels prove fruitless

Like thousands of service members,

Holt's journey through government channels proved futile."They wanted documents," Holt says of labor officials. "But I was getting ready to go to war."

By November 2005, with Holt in Iraq, state and federal labor officials had sent letters to his house.

The agencies ruled Thermotron fired him "for cause."

Richard Castillo, the U.S. Labor Department's assistant director in Michigan, said Holt could request the agency refer the case to the Justice Department for possible litigation.

But Castillo would recommend "no further action be taken."

Ronald Lampen,

Thermotron's vice president of service operations, noted agencies ruled in the company's favor.

"Holt's allegations are unfounded and untrue," Lampen told the Observer in a phone call.

He refused to answer further questions, then hung up.

A call to a job

Above Kevin Holt's backyard workshop, a massive portrait of Jesus stands watch.

"Bad things will happen to you in life," Holt says.

"Ultimately, God is still on the throne.

The sun came up this morning. The world will not end."

Last October Holt returned home to hugs, red-white-and-blue bunting around the mailbox ... and a job interview.

Espec North America had heard Holt was no longer with competitor Thermotron.

After e-mailing Holt in Iraq, the company agreed to talk with him when he got back.
In November, he became Espec's newest employee.


Going from civilian to soldier, from Gastonia to Tikrit and back, from unemployed to employed in a little over a year has imbued Holt with perspective.

"I grew up a lot during the experience," he says. "I never lost a job before. Never experienced unemployment. I always feared facing that.

But the calamity I thought was going to happen, didn't happen."
He enrolled in school again, this time to work on a master's in theology through an online program.

"I feel called," Holt says, "to serve as an Army chaplain."


As a Guard member, Holt says he's willing to return to Iraq or wherever his country needs him.
He also abides by the gospel of Luke, the passage that admonishes

"Love your enemies," and "pray for those who mistreat you."

Thursday, June 27, 2013

The Word of God includes MORE than just our Bible since even Paul commands us to accept the Word of God that was handed down to us through Scripture AS WELL AS through what he said (2 Thess 2:15).

The Word of God includes MORE than just our Bible since even Paul commands us to accept the Word of God that was handed down to us through Scripture AS WELL AS through what he said  (2 Thess 2:15).
 
God Bless
Robin
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brian Atwood <specimenb@...> wrote:
 
James,

No one here is claiming that anything other than the Bible is the word of God. However, the Bible is a co-authority with the Church (as scripture denotes) and thus the teachings of the Church along with the teachings of the Bible are both infallible.

B


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Jozinky <jozinky@...> wrote:

On 6/26/2013 9:32 AM, Robin wrote:
> Agreed.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say that it has to be in the
> Bible for something to be believed or to have come from God.
.........
Ah but it does.!
De 4:2  Ye shall ~~not add unto the word~~  which I command you, neither
shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of
the LORD your God which I command you.
De 12:32  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt
~~not add thereto, nor diminish from it~~

Pr 30:5  Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put
their trust in him.
6  Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found
a liar.

Re 22:18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the
prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall
add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Re 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of
this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and
out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

De 8:3  And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee
with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that
he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by
every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Mt 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by
bread alone, but by  ~~every word~~  that proceedeth out of the mouth of
God.

John 5:39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal
life: and  ~~they~~  are they which testify of me.

John 5:46  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he
wrote of me.

Lu 16:29  Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let
them hear them.
Lu 16:31  And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

And a ton more. Both the prophets and Christ and His disciples knew
nothing else but the Scriptures as the word of God.

Cheers;
James




> God Bless
> Robin
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 7:20 AM, jakoblukas56 <jakoblukas56@...
> <mailto:jakoblukas56@...>> wrote:
>
>     And where in the bible does it say it has to be in the bible?
>
>
>
>     --- In catholicquestions@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:catholicquestions%40yahoogroups.com>, Robin
>     <rdnuclearmed@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > On Jun 25, 2013 8:49 PM, "Jozinky" <jozinky@...> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Hi Patrick
>     > > .
>     > > On 6/25/2013 3:00 PM, Patrick Miron wrote:
>     > > > [Attachment(s) from Patrick Miron included below]
>     > > > James, where in the bible does it state the Catechism is NOT
>     infallible?
>     > > ..........
>     > > Same place where it states that I James am not. You need to
>     brush up on
>     > > Logic. The absence of something does not prove it exists?
>     >
>     > Robin:
>     > Where in the Bible does it say that it has to be in the Bible
>     for it to be
>     > true?
>     >
>     > God Bless
>     > Robin
>     >
>
>
>

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 Re: Scripture Alone
James, No one here is claiming that anything other than the Bible is the word of God. However, the Bible is a co-authority with the Church (as scripture ...
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The Word of God includes MORE than just our Bible since even Paul commands us to accept the Word of God that was handed down to us through Scripture AS WELL AS...
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VERY GOOD   have you ever heard the One INFALLIBLE rule for right understanding on the bible. Please allow me to share it.   {caps for emphasis not shouting}...
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... .......... Using Patrick's logic... Where in the Bible does it say that it doesn't? Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not ...
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Look in John Chapter 20 the last 2 verses And again In John 21 the last two verses.   THERE you WILL find it   God Bless you, Patrick   OH!   And then...
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... NO, actually NOT Whe TRUTH and what God MAKES POSSIBLE for one to KNOW will be the determining factor. NOW: As to jesus calling Peter "you satan" Mt. 16:23...
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Very good. ... Very good. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM, patrickmiron66 < patrickmiron66@... > wrote:   ... NO, actually NOT Whe TRUTH and what God...
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Hi Patrick; . Your argument fails right from the start due to the fact that you have a bad translation that uses the English word "church" . The fact is that ...
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James, We already had that argument and I proved, without a shadow of a doubt, that ekklesia does translate to church. B ... James, We already had that...
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... .......... To the contrary I proved otherwise. You can =force= a word to mean something ti does not mean which is all you did but that does not make the...
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You must have stopped reading if you think you proved otherwise. Every Greek lexicon translates ekklesia to church. So what is your evidence that it doesn't?...
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 Ekklesia Does Not mean Church
Hi Brian. . ... ........ Then every Greek lexicon is incorrect. ... .................. Simple. It doesn't. One does not have to produce evidence to prove that ...
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So, all the Greek lexicons and all the linguistic scholars are wrong, but you're right simply because it just doesn't sound like it should be translated as...
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That's nice,   So substitute "MY chosen People" or some such accurate redention of "church" such as "my -group."   Your point does nothing to negate the...
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I guess you know better then most English translators of Scripture who do translate 'Ekklesia&#39; to church. ... I guess you know better then most English...
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James my friend,   Try to get past your ego.   Like much of the bible what I shared is the truth arived at metaphorically.   Substitute "MY people" for...